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john boehner has an 18% approval rating. those are pretty good numbers. and i think also there are glimmers of hope for those of us who believe the president has stayed on his side of pennsylvania avenue too much. he said over the past week or two, his daughters are getting older, they don't like hanging around dad as much anymore. >> he's lonely. >> he's lonely. the president used to tell anybody that would listen, i work and then i go upstairs and i'm with my family. you can't trivialize the fact that he is talking about reaching out more, not only to republicans, we hear the same complaint from democratic senators as well, it's a good sign and let's hope things get done. we have to make this city work again. >> tom's point, the perils of a second term, you have thought about this and talked to the president about it. how does he map out these next four years? >> first of all, i want to say i appreciate the priorities that tom laid out. but there's a larger priority of which this is part, which is how do you create an economy, rebuild an economy, in whi
john boehner has an 18% approval rating. those are pretty good numbers. and i think also there are glimmers of hope for those of us who believe the president has stayed on his side of pennsylvania avenue too much. he said over the past week or two, his daughters are getting older, they don't like hanging around dad as much anymore. >> he's lonely. >> he's lonely. the president used to tell anybody that would listen, i work and then i go upstairs and i'm with my family. you can't...
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boehner versus obama, boehner versus obama. the speaker is always going to be at a lesser hand against the president for various reasons, and what he's basically said is, okay, let's let the senate do its thing and we'll consider it. they've become the senate in the usual case of they are the cooling saucer for legislation. everything is going to go to them as a final stage. i think that's tactically smart. >> in terms of long-term implications for the republican party, everybody's been saying after the election, maybe they can get it together, circle the wagons, come up with a new position, new policies. >> this gives them more time to work on this. i don't have any ideas for them on that, i got to tell you. good luck. >> luke, how much -- i mean, we played that sound from rush limbaugh, rush limbaugh is the mayor of planet crazy, but at the same time, he does speak for -- you know this, house caucus, there are people, yesterday mo brooks plans to oppose this, he has a serious problem on his hands. to what degree are they goin
boehner versus obama, boehner versus obama. the speaker is always going to be at a lesser hand against the president for various reasons, and what he's basically said is, okay, let's let the senate do its thing and we'll consider it. they've become the senate in the usual case of they are the cooling saucer for legislation. everything is going to go to them as a final stage. i think that's tactically smart. >> in terms of long-term implications for the republican party, everybody's been...
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it marks the second time now that house speaker john boehner has broken his own rule, the boehner rule, model on the hastert rule. said the speaker would not bring any bill to the floor for a vote that does not have the support of a majority of his conference, a majority of the majority, it's known as. but last night, just about 20% of the republican conference voted for the bill. the vote split the leadership, majority leader eric cantor, majority whip mccarthy voted for the bill. boehner first broke his rule on new year's day when he allowed a vote to avert the fiscal cliff on taxes. apparently there's an addendum to the boehner rule. the majority of the majority, unless the country is on the verge of a tax crisis, or chris christie has access the to a megaphone. christie made sure this week that republicans knew he would use it. >> and i'll say again, new jersey does not expect anything more than what was done for louisiana and alabama and mississippi and if they want to make new rules about disasters, they picked the wrong state to make the new rules with. >> and yesterday, new yor
it marks the second time now that house speaker john boehner has broken his own rule, the boehner rule, model on the hastert rule. said the speaker would not bring any bill to the floor for a vote that does not have the support of a majority of his conference, a majority of the majority, it's known as. but last night, just about 20% of the republican conference voted for the bill. the vote split the leadership, majority leader eric cantor, majority whip mccarthy voted for the bill. boehner...
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i like john boehner and david and i have both spoken highly about him. de facto nancy pelosi is the speaker of the house rns and steny huher is the majority leader. >> you say that because. >> because we've had two major legislative initiatives in this, important ones, one to avoid the fiscal cliff, and plummeting off. and left to their own votes, the republicans rejected it. it was passed only because the democrats. and then after that, we had the vote on hurricane sandy. and the people of new york and new jersey and new england who were devastated by it to get the same kind of treatment that the people who suffered from cat in-- katrina did. left to republican votes and john boehner's best efforts have failed in the house of representatives. democrats passed it. both cases, democrats were the key. >> i thinks that-- these are exceptional cases. in the years ahead the republicans discover they can't govern controlling the house. the democrats are going to discover they can't get much done unless they control the house. and i think in general the general
i like john boehner and david and i have both spoken highly about him. de facto nancy pelosi is the speaker of the house rns and steny huher is the majority leader. >> you say that because. >> because we've had two major legislative initiatives in this, important ones, one to avoid the fiscal cliff, and plummeting off. and left to their own votes, the republicans rejected it. it was passed only because the democrats. and then after that, we had the vote on hurricane sandy. and the...
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boehner has also indicated he's not going to deal with the president one-on-one. they're going to go through the regular order. the senate is going to have to do something, the house is going to have to do something. they're going to meet in congress and send it to the presidency. i think the president's legacy to go big, to get a grand bargain, to have long-term economic growth but also to have a legacy of fiscal sustainability could be his major legacy piece. and i think even though he wants to do guns, even though he wants to do immigration -- >> i agree with you. and it should be a priority. if america is not in good financial health, then the problems are huge for the people of america. but here's the problem. ronald reagan and bill clinton both enjoyed very is prosperous second terms because the economy rebounded strongly. i'm saying economically. they saw the economy of the country getting much, much strongers in their second terms and that always gives you a chance to do other things. there's not much sign of real recovery in america's economy now. and if
boehner has also indicated he's not going to deal with the president one-on-one. they're going to go through the regular order. the senate is going to have to do something, the house is going to have to do something. they're going to meet in congress and send it to the presidency. i think the president's legacy to go big, to get a grand bargain, to have long-term economic growth but also to have a legacy of fiscal sustainability could be his major legacy piece. and i think even though he wants...
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i like john boehner and david and i have both spoken highly about him. de facto nancy pelosi is the speaker of the house rns and steny huher is the majority leader. >> you say that because. >> because we've had two major legislative initiatives in this important ones one to avoid the fiscal cliff and plummeting off. and left to their own votes the republicans rejected it. it was passed only because the democrats. and then after that we had the vote on hurricane sandy. and the people of new york and new jersey and new england who were devastated by it to get the same kind of treatment that the people who suffered from cat in-- katrina did. left to republican votes and john boehner's best efforts have failed in the house of representatives. democrats passed it. both cases democrats were the key. >> i thinks that-- these are exceptional cases. in the years ahead the republicans discover they can't govern controlling the house. the democrats are going to discover they can't get much done unless they control the house. and i think in general the general patte
i like john boehner and david and i have both spoken highly about him. de facto nancy pelosi is the speaker of the house rns and steny huher is the majority leader. >> you say that because. >> because we've had two major legislative initiatives in this important ones one to avoid the fiscal cliff and plummeting off. and left to their own votes the republicans rejected it. it was passed only because the democrats. and then after that we had the vote on hurricane sandy. and the people...
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president and joe biden are giving crystal vases but with obama seated with harry reid and speaker boehner, i half expect a food taster present but joking aside, they will be collegial, that is expected. >> senator schumer joked he and his inaugural co-chairman will be sitting between be to keep it simple but he said for the sake of the nation he hopes the two parties find a way to develop a better recentship in the years ahead. >> that tunnel ordeal was a mess, i heard they did not even print purple tickets this time. >> they retired the purple ticket after what happened in 2009. >> battery fire on a japan airlines 787, two weeks ago was not caused by overcharging. the national transportation safety board said there could be problems with wiring. the f.a.a. in the united states and many other countries grounded the boeing 787 dreamliner until they get answers. the plane relies more or electrical system than older aircraft. still ahead, a look back at the president's first term with a look ahead toward what could come next. first we will try to put together what happened at the end of the
president and joe biden are giving crystal vases but with obama seated with harry reid and speaker boehner, i half expect a food taster present but joking aside, they will be collegial, that is expected. >> senator schumer joked he and his inaugural co-chairman will be sitting between be to keep it simple but he said for the sake of the nation he hopes the two parties find a way to develop a better recentship in the years ahead. >> that tunnel ordeal was a mess, i heard they did not...
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and so a lot will be up to john boehner. will he let republicans who are like the republicans in new york who voted for this vote the views of their constituents or will he impose the views of come up for a vote? >> what do you think the white house's assessment is of that what you just laid out? what do you expect from president obama tomorrow in terms of a balance between things he can do himself and things he would need congress to do? >> well, he is going to do as much as he can to enforce existing law and do things through executive orders. no, the gun owners don't have to fear he is not going to take guns away through executive orders. it's that fear, that paranoia being spread by the nra and others. but he is going to take executive action. but i think he is going to propose a very robust plan from everything i hear, including an assault weapons ban. that seems to be the measure that has the most difficulty. one of the things i think they're going to propose, by the way, is to make it a lot easier to collect data on g
and so a lot will be up to john boehner. will he let republicans who are like the republicans in new york who voted for this vote the views of their constituents or will he impose the views of come up for a vote? >> what do you think the white house's assessment is of that what you just laid out? what do you expect from president obama tomorrow in terms of a balance between things he can do himself and things he would need congress to do? >> well, he is going to do as much as he can...
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you can say if you're john boehner, well, that's fantastic. democrats, this is a democratic -- this is a democratic plan. you guys want it. it's a priority for you. guess what? you control the senate. you guys -- you guys pass global warming in the legislation in the senate, then we'll look at it in the house. gay marriage, fantastic. we are open to whatever you pass. that's your top priority, great. why don't you guys in the senate pass it, and then we'll look at it. and you can do the same thing with gun control, actually an issue that matters a great deal to me. actually, not gun control but assault weapons control. again, do what they did before. pass that in the senate and let them do that and say, but i'll tell you what we're going to focus on. we're going to focus on the house on getting people back to work, saving entitlement programs, and taking care of the crushing debt and making the tax code simpler, making the tax code fair. we're going to take care of the meat and potatoes issues over here. we're going to take care of making soci
you can say if you're john boehner, well, that's fantastic. democrats, this is a democratic -- this is a democratic plan. you guys want it. it's a priority for you. guess what? you control the senate. you guys -- you guys pass global warming in the legislation in the senate, then we'll look at it in the house. gay marriage, fantastic. we are open to whatever you pass. that's your top priority, great. why don't you guys in the senate pass it, and then we'll look at it. and you can do the same...
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boehner calls the debt an anchor on our economy. here's the leading senate republican, making his point. >> it's sort of like you have a kid who exceeds the credit card limit. you tear up the credit card, but you look at the spending. the republicans are willing to pay for past bills. these are about future bills. the president is missing the point that we are on an unsustainable path. >> reporter: portman acknowledges the need to raise the debt ceiling, but he supports the context of getting a handle on the spenning. >> shepard: this is disaster relief for victims of super storm sand gee right. we have had plenty of lawmakers saying we need to get a handle on government spending, but not when people are waiting for major disaster relief money. a key new jersey democrat is saying people from new york, new jersey and connecticut pay their fair share. three state, 16% of the taxes. you ask the question: who suffered because of super storm sandy? certainly, our neighbors in new york and new jersey and connecticut suffered the most. but
boehner calls the debt an anchor on our economy. here's the leading senate republican, making his point. >> it's sort of like you have a kid who exceeds the credit card limit. you tear up the credit card, but you look at the spending. the republicans are willing to pay for past bills. these are about future bills. the president is missing the point that we are on an unsustainable path. >> reporter: portman acknowledges the need to raise the debt ceiling, but he supports the context...
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meanwhile late today, sources say speaker boehner told g.o.p. members behind closed dors the house budget chairman paul ryan is working on a budget plan that would balance within ten years. boehner says he applauds that goal and shares it. >> bret: mike emanuel live on the hill. thank you. more than 24 hours after promising to respond to the threat of climate change, president obama has something else to respond to tonight. nebraska's governor approved a new route for the controversial keystone oil pipeline to put the ball scarily in the president's court. chief white house correspondent ed henry tells us that is one issue getting a second look tonight. >> attending a prayer service after a long night of celebrating the start of his second term. ♪ ♪ >> president obama woke up to a flood of cheerleading headlines about how he offered an aggressive liberal vision to act on major issues. >> we will respond to the threat of climate change. knowing that the failure to do so would betray our children and future generations. >> today at the white h
meanwhile late today, sources say speaker boehner told g.o.p. members behind closed dors the house budget chairman paul ryan is working on a budget plan that would balance within ten years. boehner says he applauds that goal and shares it. >> bret: mike emanuel live on the hill. thank you. more than 24 hours after promising to respond to the threat of climate change, president obama has something else to respond to tonight. nebraska's governor approved a new route for the controversial...
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boehner attached a bublg et to this. >> there are no specific cuts. where in medicare or the pentagon are they going to cut? they have to specify that before you can have a serious conversation. i don't think members of congress should be playing with fiscal fire which is what we are doing when we use a tactic as a threat to plunge america into defought. i believe that republicans and democrats should denounce using that as a threat. your previous guests gave goodness about the economy. the biggest threat about the economy is congressional dysfunction. >> do you have a response to peter walsh. >> lord knows if we could have a balance absed budget. but you made this deal yeah, we are going to extend the debt ceiling. now, it gets attached to a balanced budget. >> two points, in regard to congressman welch. when you have liberal s ip the house and senate, that is their plan to spend more money. i know you are talking about our budget larry, but we have to step back. there is going to be no budget that takes place unless the senate passes a budget. but t
boehner attached a bublg et to this. >> there are no specific cuts. where in medicare or the pentagon are they going to cut? they have to specify that before you can have a serious conversation. i don't think members of congress should be playing with fiscal fire which is what we are doing when we use a tactic as a threat to plunge america into defought. i believe that republicans and democrats should denounce using that as a threat. your previous guests gave goodness about the economy....
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boehner grabbing some silverware and putting it in her purse. >> no! >> hal: i think she spilled on her lap. >> i prefer to think -- >> isn't this sweet in low free? >> hal: if i was at the inaugural luncheon, i would take a glass. >> went on a white house tour and drank the water and i was excited. >> hal: golden child. >> this water's filtered for the president. >> hal: i bet this could kill a vampire. >> news it came directly from the potomac. >> hal: regarding this story the eye rolling story. apparently inside edition purveyor of everything journalistic hired a lip reader to see what john boehner was saying and apparently -- let's see, the lip reader believes that john boehner's asking president obama whether he had a chance to have a cigarette before the luncheon. and then boehner tapped the first lady on the arm before telling the president that somebody won't let you do it. >> oh, god. >> hal: wow. and then -- >> she rolls her eyes. >> that's when she rolled her eyes. understandably so. >> hal: by the way this goes back to bush -- >> short leas
boehner grabbing some silverware and putting it in her purse. >> no! >> hal: i think she spilled on her lap. >> i prefer to think -- >> isn't this sweet in low free? >> hal: if i was at the inaugural luncheon, i would take a glass. >> went on a white house tour and drank the water and i was excited. >> hal: golden child. >> this water's filtered for the president. >> hal: i bet this could kill a vampire. >> news it came directly from...
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think president obama has been reluctant to join in that junk without knowing that in fact speaker boehner republican leader in the senate mitch mcconnell would be able to join hands with him as he takes the lead. let me say i think that entitlement spending that republicans house what they ais a is three months they will allow the debt ceiling to be hiked and try to attach some spending cuts or at least say we need to be engaged in negotiations for further increase in debt hike. i think that was a recession for republicans in reality they were losing this argue uchlt. it reengineers to the point that 60 percent of americans think you have to have spending cuts right now. >> you listen to the president's senior advisor today he was talking again about a balanced approach saying whatever deal on the debt ceiling has to have tax loopholes closed. speaker boehner brought the 800 billion in loop whole closures in the beginning of the fiscal cliff negotiation that should be a part of this deal. despite the fact that the president wanted rate increase on the fiscal deal and that's all they want.
think president obama has been reluctant to join in that junk without knowing that in fact speaker boehner republican leader in the senate mitch mcconnell would be able to join hands with him as he takes the lead. let me say i think that entitlement spending that republicans house what they ais a is three months they will allow the debt ceiling to be hiked and try to attach some spending cuts or at least say we need to be engaged in negotiations for further increase in debt hike. i think that...
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a lot of people say president obama should be schmoozing a lot, he should be playing golf with john boehner. he should have republicans over. do you think that kind of thing is atmospherics or just results? >> no, i don't think it's atmospherics. if i have in the back of my head that i can trust what you tell me, we're much more likely to get to an agreement. >>> steven rattner, the president's car czar, says republicans in congress today are just unwilling to cooperate. >> the president might have spent more time in the first term reaching out to the congressmen, playing golf with them, having them at the white house. certainly couldn't have hurt and could haven't made things worse, that's for sure. it might have helped. at the same time i think people who went and saw the movie "lincoln" and say well, if only we had lincoln in the white house, we could have passed any amendment we wanted. >> now, now, now! >> if only we had lbj in the white house, we've have the civil rights act again, they're kidding themselves. this is a very partisan era. >> robert rubin was secretary of the treasury d
a lot of people say president obama should be schmoozing a lot, he should be playing golf with john boehner. he should have republicans over. do you think that kind of thing is atmospherics or just results? >> no, i don't think it's atmospherics. if i have in the back of my head that i can trust what you tell me, we're much more likely to get to an agreement. >>> steven rattner, the president's car czar, says republicans in congress today are just unwilling to cooperate. >>...
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i thought this was a good day for john boehner who has had a lot of bad days in leading the house. this was a crase where they had a retreat last weekend. people who were there said it was a very som bell retreat and they agreed to back the speaker. that wouldn't seem remarkable except in the past sometimes they have not been willing to do that. >> ifill: here's i guess the big question, when they say they want to reach across the aisle, when they say they want to talk to democrats, they want to engage, is that real? and is it even necessary? >> well, i think-- i think they want to engage as a way-- as part of the process of achieving their ends. you know, this day andig, everybody says "let's sit and talk." at the end of the day, wield talk and you agree with me and move on to the next subject and you can agree with me as well. that's the way both parties operate. i think the democrats did it much better the last year. the democrats will got a lot of mileage about attacking the republicans for not compromising, and yet most members of the congress, democratic members, seem willing
i thought this was a good day for john boehner who has had a lot of bad days in leading the house. this was a crase where they had a retreat last weekend. people who were there said it was a very som bell retreat and they agreed to back the speaker. that wouldn't seem remarkable except in the past sometimes they have not been willing to do that. >> ifill: here's i guess the big question, when they say they want to reach across the aisle, when they say they want to talk to democrats, they...
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john boehner talked behind her and i don't think there is a love lost between john boehner and barack obama. it was going so badly recently in december that john boehner stepped aside and the vice president and minority leader of the senate had to take over. at this point, you have the president and john boehner not committing to talk to each other about the next spending fight. that is not a good sign. host: what will they second obama term mean for the supreme court? guest: there are many big issues. i suppose there is the possibility of another supreme court appointment. that is always a moment re- litigate a lot of big social issues before the country. i think we will be looking at potentially historic rulings on affirmative action, on gay marriage, all kinds of economic issues. if he goes ahead on climate change, i don't know if it will get to the supreme court, but that will be litigious in the extreme. despite the fact that the president and chief justice managed twice to get through the oath of office without any mistakes over the last couple of days, you will still see a huge
john boehner talked behind her and i don't think there is a love lost between john boehner and barack obama. it was going so badly recently in december that john boehner stepped aside and the vice president and minority leader of the senate had to take over. at this point, you have the president and john boehner not committing to talk to each other about the next spending fight. that is not a good sign. host: what will they second obama term mean for the supreme court? guest: there are many big...
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if it passes tomorrow the boehner rule wouldn't not apply any more. there is a couple of things that guided the republicans in the last two years, or the last decade and that raises the flags for me. but i think it's not republicans that are looking for relevance. i think it's washington as a whole looking for relevance. we're running trillion dollar deficits. and for what would be the fifth straight year and the reality is s&p is downgraded us. they have sent the downgrade possibility sent notice. and we're still acting as if it's still 1995 or 2000 where we aren't running trillion dollar deficits. and but -- i hope it's not the case, but if in the meantime with all of these games as we move around the messaging and try to figure out resequencing and everything. if moon anies follows through the threat that america is not a credit rating -- worthy of aaa credit rating. that's the serious reality. you have the political reality and the economic real fip i hope it doesn't happen. i don't know how long question continue 0 to go on. i don't think we have
if it passes tomorrow the boehner rule wouldn't not apply any more. there is a couple of things that guided the republicans in the last two years, or the last decade and that raises the flags for me. but i think it's not republicans that are looking for relevance. i think it's washington as a whole looking for relevance. we're running trillion dollar deficits. and for what would be the fifth straight year and the reality is s&p is downgraded us. they have sent the downgrade possibility sent...
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boehner says the consequences of failing to raise the debt ceiling are real but so, too, are allowing the spend be problems to go unresolved. president obama told reporters he is willing to work with republicans to reign in spending but he wants to have those talks separate from raising the debt ceiling. >> while i am willing to p compromise and find common ground over the deficit we cannot afford a debate about whether or not they should pay the bills they have already racked up. congressional republicans refuse to pay america's bills on time social security checks and veteran's benefits will be delayed. >> we are not going to do it without putting in place a spending reform. these cuts promise to transpire but never do are not going to do the job any more. >> senate republican leader mitch mcconnell wanted to say the president needs to get serious about it. you can see the battle lines clearly drawn in washington. >> also pointing out in 2006 president obama then senator voted against raising the ceiling. >> they discussed his time spent in prison whether he feared for his life and
boehner says the consequences of failing to raise the debt ceiling are real but so, too, are allowing the spend be problems to go unresolved. president obama told reporters he is willing to work with republicans to reign in spending but he wants to have those talks separate from raising the debt ceiling. >> while i am willing to p compromise and find common ground over the deficit we cannot afford a debate about whether or not they should pay the bills they have already racked up....
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>> i think it will probably pass unless boehner is going to get badly humiliated again. i was shocked by what they did. in the textbook of what they're doing, they are not lifting the debt ceiling. they are putting into the bill that instead of lifting the debt ceiling, we are suspending it, so we are saying that for this period of three months the debt ceiling gets no higher, it just does not apply. it has magically vanished. we live in a sane political world in which we no longer have a debt ceiling. in addition to basically saying we don't have enough sort of leverage on this to fight on it, they have also set the precedent of you know what we can do, make the debt ceiling disappear, and then nobody has to vote on raising it. i think they should do that for a little bit longer. like forever. >> it is smoke and mirrors. i really don't think the world republican necessarily applies to many of the members in the house republican caucus. unfortunately, we have to leave it there. thank you, my friend, for your time, and infinite wisdom. it is always great to see you. comin
>> i think it will probably pass unless boehner is going to get badly humiliated again. i was shocked by what they did. in the textbook of what they're doing, they are not lifting the debt ceiling. they are putting into the bill that instead of lifting the debt ceiling, we are suspending it, so we are saying that for this period of three months the debt ceiling gets no higher, it just does not apply. it has magically vanished. we live in a sane political world in which we no longer have a...
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we've basically boehner's dispensed that rule twice. but, look, when you look at those numbers for the republican party, i'm reminded one of my favorite lines from jfk which you quoted on the show last week. if you ride the back of the tiger, you often end up inside. they rode the back of the tea party to power, and right now the tea party is dictating to them. if the tea party succeeds, for example, in pushing them into default on the full faith and credit of the country and the economy crashes, that 49% disapproval will be 69%. >> that's exactly what i was thinking about the show tonight. who is in charge, the nra or the republicans. who is riding whose back? it looks like the republicans are riding the nra back and it's a dangerous animal. thank you. >>> remember the long lines in florida this past election day where republicans tried to make it difficult for people to vote? wait until you hear what governor rick scott is saying about it now. not my job, i didn't do that, don't blame me. this is "hardball," the place for politics. to
we've basically boehner's dispensed that rule twice. but, look, when you look at those numbers for the republican party, i'm reminded one of my favorite lines from jfk which you quoted on the show last week. if you ride the back of the tiger, you often end up inside. they rode the back of the tea party to power, and right now the tea party is dictating to them. if the tea party succeeds, for example, in pushing them into default on the full faith and credit of the country and the economy...